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ID_Hades · 11 Oct 2001, 4:22 AM

can some one explain to me the multi air con reclaim bug and the MMMactivation bug that i read about on LOC rules?

LordBeek · 11 Oct 2001, 6:06 AM

Multi Air Reclaim Bug: If you order 2 or more con aircraft to reclaim any Rock or Metal that starts on the map, you gain the amount of metal in multiples of the number of cons used. o_O

Put simply: Two con aircraft reclaim a 100 M rock on GOW. Each con will claim 100 M, therefore you get 200 M.

If you use 10 cons, you get 10*100 = 1000 metal, from one rock. Pretty sneaky, and useful, but it doesnt happen that often.

MMM Spark trick: When your constructing a MMM you can activate it before its finished by firing at it with the commanders laser, or a missile.

The MMM will come online and you can benefit from its metal production without even finishing it.
However, the disadvantage is you cannot turn it off, and if your energy production is suddenly dented, you have to live with a constant -600 or -800 metal drain.

Ive seen many top players use this trick, so I personally dont regard it as cheating, more applying your knowledge of the game to gain an advantage. Still, I understand the critics views.

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ID_Hades · 11 Oct 2001, 9:04 AM

thanks beek, nice tips , enough said!!!

BLITZ_Molloy · 11 Oct 2001, 9:57 AM

Wow! I never knew about the multi reclaim bug! I must try that- does it work with metal wrecks too? If I kill an enemy sub on GoW and can use the wreck to build 3 of my own I could find that very useful.

LordBeek · 11 Oct 2001, 10:40 AM

Nope it doesnt work on wreckage, only on metal that starts up on a map.

I dont think the wreckages on Urban worlds are affected by the bug either. 10 cons on the 10K wreckages would be insane.......

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PeterC · 11 Oct 2001, 10:45 AM

I don't see either of them as unacceptable (except where game rules state otherwise, of course) but if you only win a game because you successfully MMM sparked or multi-con air reclaimed then it wasn't a victory.

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ID_Hades · 11 Oct 2001, 1:59 PM

cheat: to gain an unfair advantage through trickery,,,,,,,collins english dictionary,,,,,.

to multi claim or spark a fusion or use the bombingplane trick or off screen flying isnt really a trick is it!!!!david blaine does tricks,,
so why do ppl winge about things like this , every one can do it so i really dont see a problem ,,
and why do a lot of ppl who play core say "NO E.M.G"... jeez , if u cant handle it play ARM,,
Is handling 2 seperate attacks at different ends of a map while handling conn building a trick or a cheat, i dont think so , it called being really good , a lot of ppl know the no reload bombing trick , only a few can really carry it of .

Bort · 11 Oct 2001, 3:06 PM

Cool, never heard of the multi reclaim trick.

Hades: "spark a fusion", you cant spark a fusion, only something that can be turned on/off.

Twinge · 11 Oct 2001, 4:49 PM

Most people that I play that ask for no EMG are arm, actually

It's kinda funny scenario sometimes, here's an example: It's 1vs1, I'm playing as Core, the opponent isplaying as Arm. They say "No EMG, ok?"
I'm thinking "Well sure, give yourself a disadvantage if you really want to, fine by me."
=)

WillyTheSquid · 11 Oct 2001, 6:18 PM

LoL! Twinge, you are teh funny.

Energy Breaker · 11 Oct 2001, 6:22 PM

You can spark solars too lol. It wont look like it at first, but it only takes 1 shot then it will open up a few seconds later. Probably a cool idea for the guy who is stalled for energy and is having a hard time building solars.

I wonder..... is it possible to spark a Geo?

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THE_DuDe · 11 Oct 2001, 7:13 PM

I think i tried that, it didn't work. Too bad you can't spark Fusions!

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Aggressor1 · 11 Oct 2001, 7:25 PM

If you want tpo turn off that sparked moho, just destroy it. Then when you want to start up that free metal producton spark a new one. Yeah, its sort of cheap, thats why I like the LOC rules where they don't allow bug exploits or even tahook unless otherwise decided by players.

SleepWarz · 11 Oct 2001, 8:58 PM

ive sparked a moho and a solar b4 but only once.......

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PeterC · 11 Oct 2001, 9:11 PM

<blockquote>Too bad you can't spark Fusions!</blockquote>

Yeah, that would just about make TA a totally worthless game to play.

If you can't win a decent game without exploiting bugs in TA, you are not worth much as a player. Simple as that.

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JoesGeo · 12 Oct 2001, 2:42 PM

I have had solars sparked in Krogoth encounter
lol

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Twinge · 12 Oct 2001, 6:08 PM

Yeah really, Have to agree with PeterC for once

It's a bug, and it would be a stupid way to play the game if you had to spark everything you built to be a good player =)
It's a bug, and it's a powerful one. I think Switeck's bug fix fixes this...

SpellBinder · 12 Oct 2001, 6:54 PM

<blockquote>Originally written by PeterC

I don't see either of them as unacceptable (except where game rules state otherwise, of course) but if you only win a game because you successfully MMM sparked or multi-con air reclaimed then it wasn't a victory.
</blockquote>
<blockquote>Originally written by PeterC

If you can't win a decent game without exploiting bugs in TA, you are not worth much as a player. Simple as that.
</blockquote>

anybody else see a contradiction?

hmmm....

SleepWarz · 13 Oct 2001, 6:46 AM

heh i do

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PeterC · 13 Oct 2001, 12:55 PM

The reason I don't see them as unacceptable is that both players can do them and they almost never affect the result. In such circumstances where the game is close, I don't see why the winner should be the one who was most ethical. In some ways, the best solutions is to agree beforehand about things like that. That way if you know he is MMM sparking you can feel free to do the same.

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GIT_Bozza · 13 Oct 2001, 4:14 PM

IMHO the multi-air-reclaim trick IS a cheat, *hey 10 cons over a 100 metal rock = 1000 metal*

But the MMM sparking trick is... well I don't really care if my opponent does it - just means he feels he needs that little advantage to beat me, but in the end I just put it down to gae ethics.

I do MMM spark occasionally, usually when I need that metal NOW.

11 Oct 2001, 4:22 AM	#1
ID_Hades Registered User Join Date: 24 Jun 2001 Location: united kingdom Posts: 75	bugs can some one explain to me the multi air con reclaim bug and the MMMactivation bug that i read about on LOC rules?

11 Oct 2001, 6:06 AM	#2
LordBeek Registered User Join Date: 5 Oct 2000 Location: Cornwall, UK Age: 43 Posts: 1,636	Multi Air Reclaim Bug: If you order 2 or more con aircraft to reclaim any Rock or Metal that starts on the map, you gain the amount of metal in multiples of the number of cons used. o_O Put simply: Two con aircraft reclaim a 100 M rock on GOW. Each con will claim 100 M, therefore you get 200 M. If you use 10 cons, you get 10100 = 1000 metal, from one rock. Pretty sneaky, and useful, but it doesnt happen that often. MMM Spark trick: When your constructing a MMM you can activate it before its finished by firing at it with the commanders laser, or a missile. The MMM will come online and you can benefit from its metal production without even finishing it. However, the disadvantage is you cannot turn it off, and if your energy production is suddenly dented, you have to live with a constant -600 or -800 metal drain. Ive seen many top players use this trick, so I personally dont regard it as cheating, more applying your knowledge of the game to gain an advantage. Still, I understand the critics views. ------------------ Proud Member of the TEA ICQ = 102306818* Their barbarism will stand as their shame for all eternity - Tony Blair [This message has been edited by LordBeek (edited October 11, 2001).] __________________ <Aceman> im good <Aceman> 15 min bt

11 Oct 2001, 9:57 AM	#4
BLITZ_Molloy Construction Lobster Join Date: 11 May 2000 Location: Cheese Factory Age: 41 Posts: 4,775	Wow! I never knew about the multi reclaim bug! I must try that- does it work with metal wrecks too? If I kill an enemy sub on GoW and can use the wreck to build 3 of my own I could find that very useful. __________________ Check out my Total Annihilation Casts at Better Than Starcraft

11 Oct 2001, 10:40 AM	#5
LordBeek Registered User Join Date: 5 Oct 2000 Location: Cornwall, UK Age: 43 Posts: 1,636	Nope it doesnt work on wreckage, only on metal that starts up on a map. I dont think the wreckages on Urban worlds are affected by the bug either. 10 cons on the 10K wreckages would be insane....... ------------------ Proud Member of the TEA ICQ = 102306818 Their barbarism will stand as their shame for all eternity - Tony Blair __________________ <Aceman> im good <Aceman> 15 min bt

11 Oct 2001, 3:06 PM	#8
Bort Registered User Join Date: 22 May 2001 Location: college in Florida Posts: 1,508	Cool, never heard of the multi reclaim trick. Hades: "spark a fusion", you cant spark a fusion, only something that can be turned on/off. __________________ "I'm not lazy. It's that I just dont care." - Office Space Alcohol, the cause of and solution to all of life's problems. - Homer Simpson

11 Oct 2001, 9:04 AM	#3
ID_Hades Registered User Join Date: 24 Jun 2001 Location: united kingdom Posts: 75	thanks beek, nice tips , enough said!!!

11 Oct 2001, 10:45 AM	#6
PeterC Registered User Join Date: 8 Oct 2000 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,401	I don't see either of them as unacceptable (except where game rules state otherwise, of course) but if you only win a game because you successfully MMM sparked or multi-con air reclaimed then it wasn't a victory. Peter. ------------------ Ever updated. Never rivalled. The Articles Section.

11 Oct 2001, 1:59 PM	#7
ID_Hades Registered User Join Date: 24 Jun 2001 Location: united kingdom Posts: 75	cheat: to gain an unfair advantage through trickery,,,,,,,collins english dictionary,,,,,. to multi claim or spark a fusion or use the bombingplane trick or off screen flying isnt really a trick is it!!!!david blaine does tricks,, so why do ppl winge about things like this , every one can do it so i really dont see a problem ,, and why do a lot of ppl who play core say "NO E.M.G"... jeez , if u cant handle it play ARM,, Is handling 2 seperate attacks at different ends of a map while handling conn building a trick or a cheat, i dont think so , it called being really good , a lot of ppl know the no reload bombing trick , only a few can really carry it of .

11 Oct 2001, 4:49 PM	#9
Twinge Registered User Join Date: 26 Sep 2001 Posts: 173	Most people that I play that ask for no EMG are arm, actually It's kinda funny scenario sometimes, here's an example: It's 1vs1, I'm playing as Core, the opponent isplaying as Arm. They say "No EMG, ok?" I'm thinking "Well sure, give yourself a disadvantage if you really want to, fine by me." =)

11 Oct 2001, 6:18 PM	#10
WillyTheSquid Registered User Join Date: 20 Jun 2001 Location: Holland, land of fast cars, fast money and even faster women. Posts: 1,121	LoL! Twinge, you are teh funny. __________________ "yarr i be making small minature TA models and painting them, then creating a battlefield from old carpets and setting up a battlefield in my loft to create many a military plan" - The illustrious Fourth Survivor

11 Oct 2001, 6:22 PM	#11
Energy Breaker Registered User Join Date: 3 Aug 2001 Location: Ain't been there lately Age: 41 Posts: 225	You can spark solars too lol. It wont look like it at first, but it only takes 1 shot then it will open up a few seconds later. Probably a cool idea for the guy who is stalled for energy and is having a hard time building solars. I wonder..... is it possible to spark a Geo? ------------------ Ask not what you can do for your country Ask what your country did to you. Dogma - KMFDM __________________ "Storm Trooper 1: I once took on two Jedi's at the same time. Strorm Trooper 2: Whaaaat? I don't believe that...." - Jedi Outcast

11 Oct 2001, 7:13 PM	#12
THE_DuDe Registered User Join Date: 25 Jun 2001 Location: Bloomer,Wisconsin, U.S.A Age: 35 Posts: 517	I think i tried that, it didn't work. Too bad you can't spark Fusions! ------------------ <font color="#8FEF8F">Why can't the Arm and Core be nice?</FONT> __________________ I am such a fan of Haker that if I was a woman, I would ask him to take my virginity and have all of mah bebe's or something close to it! My heart goes out to Haker.

11 Oct 2001, 7:25 PM	#13
Aggressor1 Registered User Join Date: 18 Mar 2001 Posts: 28	If you want tpo turn off that sparked moho, just destroy it. Then when you want to start up that free metal producton spark a new one. Yeah, its sort of cheap, thats why I like the LOC rules where they don't allow bug exploits or even tahook unless otherwise decided by players.

11 Oct 2001, 8:58 PM	#14
SleepWarz Architect Join Date: 28 Dec 2000 Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Age: 37 Posts: 2,149	ive sparked a moho and a solar b4 but only once....... ------------------ <font color="#8FEF8F">"Imperials Will Win, You Will Die, Alliances Will Crumble"</FONT> ---->X<---- <font color="#8FEF8F"><font size="4">CORE4EVER</font></FONT> 713 F1gh73r 0\/\/nZ j00! __________________ There is no peace, there is Anger; There is no fear, there is Power. There is no death, there is immortality; There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

11 Oct 2001, 9:11 PM	#15
PeterC Registered User Join Date: 8 Oct 2000 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,401	<blockquote><font color="#CCCCCC">Too bad you can't spark Fusions!</font></blockquote> Yeah, that would just about make TA a totally worthless game to play. If you can't win a decent game without exploiting bugs in TA, you are not worth much as a player. Simple as that. Peter. ------------------ Ever updated. Never rivalled. The Articles Section.

12 Oct 2001, 2:42 PM	#16
JoesGeo Eternal Thompson Gunner Join Date: 5 Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere Age: 39 Posts: 5,370	I have had solars sparked in Krogoth encounter lol ------------------ We come in peace shoot to kill shoot to kill men. __________________ Every well-bred petty crook knows that the small, concealable weapons always go to the far left of the place setting. --Inara

12 Oct 2001, 6:08 PM	#17
Twinge Registered User Join Date: 26 Sep 2001 Posts: 173	Yeah really, Have to agree with PeterC for once It's a bug, and it would be a stupid way to play the game if you had to spark everything you built to be a good player =) It's a bug, and it's a powerful one. I think Switeck's bug fix fixes this...

12 Oct 2001, 6:54 PM	#18
SpellBinder Registered User Join Date: 10 Feb 2001 Posts: 3,905	<blockquote><small>Originally written by PeterC</small> <font color="#CCCCCC"> I don't see either of them as unacceptable (except where game rules state otherwise, of course) but if you only win a game because you successfully MMM sparked or multi-con air reclaimed then it wasn't a victory. </font></blockquote> <blockquote><small>Originally written by PeterC</small> <font color="#CCCCCC"> If you can't win a decent game without exploiting bugs in TA, you are not worth much as a player. Simple as that. </font></blockquote> anybody else see a contradiction? hmmm.... __________________ -SpellBinder :\|: Jester of Spam

13 Oct 2001, 6:46 AM	#19
SleepWarz Architect Join Date: 28 Dec 2000 Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Age: 37 Posts: 2,149	heh i do ------------------ <font color="#8FEF8F">"Imperials Will Win, You Will Die, Alliances Will Crumble"</FONT> ---->X<---- <font color="#8FEF8F"><font size="4">CORE4EVER</font></FONT> 713 F1gh73r 0\/\/nZ j00! __________________ There is no peace, there is Anger; There is no fear, there is Power. There is no death, there is immortality; There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side.

13 Oct 2001, 12:55 PM	#20
PeterC Registered User Join Date: 8 Oct 2000 Location: Essex, England Posts: 2,401	The reason I don't see them as unacceptable is that both players can do them and they almost never affect the result. In such circumstances where the game is close, I don't see why the winner should be the one who was most ethical. In some ways, the best solutions is to agree beforehand about things like that. That way if you know he is MMM sparking you can feel free to do the same. Peter. ------------------ Ever updated. Never rivalled. The Articles Section.

13 Oct 2001, 4:14 PM	#21
GIT_Bozza Registered User Join Date: 17 Jun 2000 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 538	IMHO the multi-air-reclaim trick IS a cheat, hey 10 cons over a 100 metal rock = 1000 metal But the MMM sparking trick is... well I don't really care if my opponent does it - just means he feels he needs that little advantage to beat me, but in the end I just put it down to gae ethics. I do MMM spark occasionally, usually when I need that metal NOW.